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"Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-03 AT 09:27 AM (Pacific)
 
Hello All
I posted this in an inappropriate thread and wanted to move it here.Any way this is a question and answer from myself to a 400Q veteran owner who recently replaced his 400Q with the new Sony HS-10.

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It seems that it can be had any where from $2700 to $3000 USD here mail order. I hope some day Jeff can do a review. But I have read enough to be sure that it's quite an upgrade for the 400Q crowd.
One of the old Big Picture 400Q forum members Kronos has bought one.I asked this question on another forum and thought the 400Q members might like to read it!

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I am guessing that having 3 times the lumen must be a big upgrade.
How is the screen door and what do you think of the additional contrast .Also the added resolution must be great . Thanks John

His reply
The extra resolution is really noticeable on HDTV. Whereas HDTV looks fantastic on the 400q due more to the extra clarity in the colors, on the HS-10, you just see so much more detail due to the added resolution. It really has that looking thru a window clarity to it.

As has been reported by others, screendoor is a non issue. I couldn't see screen door from my siting position with the 400q and I certainly can't see it with the HS-10. Sitting 10' from the screen, I could see it with the 400q, but can't see it with the HS-10.

The biggest improvement in picture quality, in my opinion is in shadow detail. I had started to watch a dark movie, "The Panic Room" on my 400q and had to stop watching it. The many dark scenes were frustrating to watch because you could hardly make out any detail. Watching these same scenes on the HS-10 was like watching bright scenes on the 400q. A real night and day difference.

The HS-10 is like a perfect version of the 400q, with all of its deficiencies corrected. In addition to the picture quality improvements, the fan is almost inaudible, a big improvement. Also, the bulb is rated at 3000 hours in cinema black mode. Also, since its a UHP bulb, it still has 90% of its brightness at the end of its life. I think the 400q bulb drops to 90% brightness after only a few hundred hours of operation. I would absolutely recommend it as an upgrade for 400q owners. \\\\End of paste////

The HS-10 Has 1200 Lumen, and 1366 X 768 resolution and accepts 1080I,720P and 480P . So as you can see this seems to be a large improvement over the 400Q. Here is the spec sheet from Sony here
http://products.sel.sony.com/b2b/literature/specsheets/vplhs10.pdf

This sounds very exciting and people are having good luck with HTPC and DVI input. Cheers John


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  RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q George in Canada Jan-03-03 1
     RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q johnathanteam Jan-03-03 2
         RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q johnathanteam Jan-04-03 3
             RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q George in Canada Jan-06-03 4
  RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcement for 400Q Michael Johnston Jan-06-03 5
     RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcement for 400Q tacticalteam Jan-06-03 6
  RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q Kronos Jan-07-03 7
     RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q johnathanteam Jan-07-03 8
         RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q Kronos Jan-07-03 9
             RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q George in Canada Jan-08-03 10
                 RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q neuweiler Jan-17-03 11
                     RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q Ballhwi Feb-20-03 12
  RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q johnathanteam May-11-03 13

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George in Canada
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1. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   I am seriously thinking about this model as an upgrade from my 400. However, I have decided to wait awhile to see if any nasty problems with the HS 10 crop up with the current batch of owners. One thing I have read about at another sight is problems with the PJ shutting down after a few minutes of watching a movie, and the temperature light coming on. Apparently the release of this PJ was held up for awhile because of a lamp issue. Perhaps some of those early units are in the hands of those experiencing a shut down problem.


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2. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   Hello George
I read a post like that also but the user had the projector sitting on a towel.Albeit the main intake is on the front or so I thought?

But as you say it is always better to wait and let some of the initial problems get sorted out. It does seem very promising. And the price is a bargain for that level of performance.

Thanks for the reply George. John


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3. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-03 AT 09:10 AM (Pacific)
 
George
There is another post on the over heating problem. There is defiantly cooling vents on the bottom of the projector that have to be clear. So instead of a design problem it sound as if the manual isn't clear. Or just new projector owners are having the problem.

That is good news. I guess we just have to follow and see what happens. I remember when the VPL-VW10HT came out. What a flood of reported problems. Seems that a certain percent of them are design and others are people not used to LCD Projectors.I'm not saying Sony is perfect far from it. But having owned an LCD for the last 3 1/2 years has taught me how to put up with most of it's short comings .

I fully expect to see a rash of posts on dust on the panels after several hundred hours of usage in dusty climates. These all have work arounds for me . I can't recall one perfect projector in the last 4 years of reading about them. Happy viewing John


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4. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   Yeah, in the beginning, I recall reading a lot of posts about dust problems with the 400, but to be honest, John, I have never had a dust problem with my 400. Perhaps the reason has to do with the fact it sits inside a specially designed hushbox, so maybe less dust gets into the unit. As for the HS 10 overheating problem, as you say, perhaps it is nothing serious. You can be sure I will be watching closely.
Reards,
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5. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcement for 400Q"
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   Are the panels 4:3 or 16:9 native? It was unclear to me from the PDF file. If 4:3, what is the effective resolution in 16x9 mode?

Thanks,

Michael


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6. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcement for 400Q"
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   The panels are 16:9:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/projector_details.cfm?part_id=1861

-Matt

>Are the panels 4:3 or 16:9 native? It was unclear to me from
>the PDF file. If 4:3, what is the effective resolution in
>16x9 mode?
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>Thanks,
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>Michael


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7. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   I originally posted the above comments at the avsforum. I posted a quick review shortly after receiving my HS-10. I've since spent quite a lot of time tweaking and watching it.
I am extremely satisfied with my new projector. I think the HS-10 may be the 400q sequel that Sony had hoped the 10ht would be.
To get an idea of the performance of the hs-10 in comparison to the 400q, think of HD on the 400q. Well, normal interlaced DVD looks like that on the HS-1O (it has an excellent scaler/deinterlacer). As good as HD looks on the 400q, the extra resolution of the HS-10 gives HD that looking thru a window quality. You really have to see it yourself.
Black level on the HS-10 is about as good as what I see at the movies. Not CRT black, but certainly film black, and that's all I care about. It's a major improvement over the 400q. No fog whatsoever.
Contrast ratio really has been improved. I can watch dark movies now and enjoy them. I use a HTPC connected to my HS-10 with a DVI cable. DVDs played this way exihibit superb shadow detail.
Fan noise is about as noisy as my Dishnetwork model 60000 receiver i.e. way way quieter than the fan on the 400q. No hushbox needed.
One other thing that makes the HS-10 an ideal replacement for the 400q is it's throw distance. It appears to be almost exactly the same as the 400q. I was able to place it in the same location.



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8. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   Thanks for the reply and info Kronos!
Glad to here the HS-10 is working out so well. If I get an income tax refund I may get the projector. But a refund is not likley ha ha.

Hope to dig up the funding as that sounds like such a great upgrade to me. Are you using theatertek DVD player and an ATI card. It was a great improvment for me on the 400Q. John


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9. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   I have a Radeon 9000 and use zplayer with the Cinemaster filters. I believe the Theatertek player uses the same Cinemaster filters so the pq should be the same, outstanding.


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10. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-03 AT 11:30 AM (Pacific)
 
Kronos,
It appears your unit does not have an overheating problem. Maybe others are installing it improperly, thus covering up the intake vents. Seems a lot of these problems were related to tabletop set-up, and I believe, like the 400, the intake vents are on the bottom..

Re: Throw, I believe it is not as long a throw. I have my 400 about 18 feet on my back wall to get a 52 x 92 inch picture. According to throw distance chart from another site ( if it is correct) the HS 10 will have to be approx 16 feet from the screen to get the same size picture. This does present a problem for my setup as I cannot ceiling mount, but I may be able to get around this by making an extended shelf for the existing backwall setup.

Your comments on blacks and picture quality and fan noise are heartening indeed. This is beginning to sound like the upgrade for me.

Regards,
George


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11. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   Hi folks,

To clarify some things:

The intake is at the bottom of the unit. So putting the unit onto a towel is not such a good idea. Why would one do that anyway (except when you call her Susie ) ?!? It has two exhausts at the front: one for the lamp (left to the lens) and another one (right to the lens). The fan is not so ultra quiet as some say. It's more quiet than the one of the 400q but certainly not whisper quiet as the 11ht.
When it was set-up right behind my head, I already started thinking about replacing the ventilator (ok, I'm one of those guys who built a plexiglas cover and exhaust conduit for the 400q). But when the unit is ceiling mounted, I find it acceptable - like a computer or so. The noise is clearly coming from the wheel bearing of the ventilator, not from the air flow. So replacing it with another type can help (bye bye warranty)

I have about 60h now on the timer and it happened once in the first 10h that the unit shut-down by itself while it was set-up on a table. But not afterwards - even when watching a 4h movie. There's also a "high altitude" setting (for above 1500m) which speeds up the fan. Because the air is thinner at high altitudes, it doesn't cool as efficently as thick city air

I owned a 400q before that unit too. I had the 400q located at the rear wall, zoomed to max and the picture fit barely to my 2.7 meter screen. Same for the HS10.

I'm not suspecting dust to become a real problem. The air conduits appear well done and they used an electrostatic filter which is supposed to hold back even more dust than normal ones.

Comparing the HS10 and 400q is not really fair. But I think the 400q would look like a picture of the HS10 through sunglasses..


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12. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   Whoa!Since many (I assume) of we "early adopters" purchased RCA DTC100's in order to get hi-def from DirecTV and OTA I have the following question. The "Projector Central" review of the HS10 states that the projector won't sync with the 1080i output of the RCA DTC100. Can anyone either explain or confirm this. I have no problems with, or desire to upgrade from, my DTC100. I'm at a loss as to why it would not work (unless the reviewers didn't know enough to use the AA box to convert the RGB to component). Thanks in advance for your response(s)............................


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13. "RE: Sony HS-10 good repalcment for 400Q"
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   Yes with out a doubt the HS-10 is in another class above the trusty old 400Q !

I took the plung and ordered a HS-10 after selling my 400Q . I am using the optional long throw lens . The hs10 fit nicely in the enclosure that I used for the 400Q .

Power on and Wow this thing is bright on my 106" HiPower screen. The depth of image <3D> and the detail is unbelieveable !
Can't coment on noise . But you do owe it to yourself to give this unit a look. My whole family is amazed ! johnathan


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